Scott Ward hosts Tom Opper, founder of RevOpx and a revenue data debt expert, on the HabitStack Podcast. Tom explains why growing companies drift away from being client centric as they scale, and how information gets lost in the handoffs between marketing, sales, customer support and customer success. He introduces the idea of "true signals," real client actions like expressed pain, as better leading indicators than typical MQL counts, and argues most companies tolerate conversion rates that are far lower than they should be. Tom draws a sharp distinction between customer support (technical, reactive) and customer success (strategic, proactive), and explains why compensation models rarely reflect who's actually driving renewals. He outlines a hiring sequence for early stage founders: sales first, then support, then marketing, then customer success.